marking this event today secretary of state hillary clinton joined by archbishop desmond tutu cited malala's heroism. >> yesterday's attack reminds us of the challenges that girls face, whether it's poverty or marginalization or even violence, just for speaking out for their basic rights. >> joining me now, malan risk veer, the state department ambassador at large for women's issues. a position that you have created and expanded and traveled around the world to many of these very, very dangerous places. let's talk about malala and what she represents because you've spent time in pakistan, spent time in afghanistan, you know about the attempts to expand girls and women's rights and also the entrenchment in some parts. >> first of all, it's a barbaric be act that was committed against her. she like so many other girls, desperately want to go to school. they want to be able to have full lives. they want their potential to be able to be tapped. and they don't want to be circumscribed by the kinds of things that are happening whether in pakistan or in afghanistan. i think the fact that in pakista